You have a good point Chris with the ballon heads that hang around in the centre of Castleton with nothing better to do than walk arould drinking bottles of cider, but it's also intimidating for passers by to have gangs of people hanging around outside a pub especially a pub which fronts straight onto the pavement where you might have mothers with prams wanting to get by for instance.

   if you can't beat them why not join them? it seems to be acceptable for these kids to drink on benches ,at the railway, on the canal and the community centre so why not join them? you get stopped for drinking outside a pub but not where these people go so i say lets join them we won't get stopped because we are not outside a pub.mind you would we have to partake in anti social behaviour to fit in? it's worth thinking about.